The Epistle to the Romans is widely considered ‘The Greatest Letter Ever Written’ and understandably so. The author Paul takes the reader into the very heart of justification apart from works. The crescendo of his argument is found in Romans 8 which begins, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” The rest of this chapter builds upon that theme over and over. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.”

The teaching in Romans 8 concerning the effect of the atonement of Jesus Christ is only matched with that found in Hebrews. It is here that we find a clear foundation for one of the most controversial doctrines in all of Christianity, Limited Atonement. The clarity and forcefulness with which the Apostle Paul writes cannot be ignored. Paul not only provides an affirmation of Limited Atonement, but also a beautiful application of this controversial doctrine.

Before looking at the passage let’s get a working definition of Limited Atonement.

Limited Atonement is that glorious doctrine that affirms the unity of the persons of the trinity in the work of redemption. It affirms that the scope of the atonement of Jesus Christ is neither greater nor lesser than the scope of the Father’s election, and neither great nor lesser than the scope of the application of the atonement by the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect. What this means then is that the work of atonement is performed for those the Father chose, and that the Holy Spirit will apply it.

From another angle Limited Atonement is the teaching that affirms the perfect saving nature of the substitutionary (in place of) atonement that Jesus Christ performed. His is atonement was perfect and is able to save perfectly all for whom it is made.

The verses we are concerned with are Romans 8:31-35a.

 

31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33) Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34) who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35) Who will separate us from the love of Christ?

 

Without having to exegete the passage we can plainly see two relevant statements. “He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all,” and “Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.” Taken by itself, without any context, these passages don’t really tell us anything; in fact with the constant repetition of “for us” one might think that the passage supports a universal atonement. That notion is quickly and dismissed with prejudice when a full examination of the passage is made.

Let’s move onto the exegesis of the passage and try to let it speak for itself.

 

 

31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?

Both of these questions have a reference to what has been said immediately prior. This is plain since the first question does not ask “what shall we say”, but “what shall we say to ‘these things’”. It is clear that ‘these things’ must be what was spoken of immediately prior, namely v.28-30. It could also be in reference to the entire chapter or even the book of Romans, but taking it that far is at odds with the word ‘these’ which conveys the idea of, “with regard to what I just said, what shall we say?” But then what exactly are these things from v.28-30. From v.31a we can conclude one thing for certain; v.28-30 is how God is ‘for us’. Let’s consider then how God is ‘for us’.

 

28) And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29) For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30) and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

 

The last question to be asked of this verse is, who is the ‘us’? It is clear from v.31b that the ‘us’ are all for whom God is for. From the first part of the verse it is also clear that the ‘us’ are those for whom ‘these things’ apply. If ‘these things’ refers to verses 28-31 then the ‘us’ are all whom God causes all things to work for good, whom he foreknew, predestined, called, justified, and glorified. This relevance of this initial identification will become clear as we work through the following verses.

 

 

32) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?

We now will look at the first verse that sheds light on the nature of Christ’s atonement. It should be without any controversy that the ‘He’ is God the Father and v.32a is referring to the crucifixion. God the father did not spare Jesus Christ, His Son, but delivered Jesus over for ‘us all’. When the Father delivered/spared not His own Son, it was ‘for us all” Again a simple skimming along the surface may lead us to believe that ‘for us all’ means for every single person on the planet. This is not valid, however, since the last part of the verse continues speaking about the ‘us’. When we look at v.32b we see that those for whom Jesus was delivered over for also receive all things. “How will he not also freely with Him give us all things?” The statement is forceful. How can the Father give ‘us’ the son, and not give ‘us’ all things. It’s almost blasphemous to suggest such a thing. Taken as a whole we can see the argument. Why do you think the father will not give you all things, why do you think he is not For You, He gave you His Son. Isn’t that evidence enough that he will also give you all things? It should be plain now that whoever the ‘us all’ for whom the son was delivered over for also receive all things from the father. Perhaps the question is in what these things are. Perhaps there’s wiggle room there that will allow us to say, the Father gives every person on earth all things, but these things aren’t salvation. When we continue on however the passage continues to build upon this groundwork making it more and more difficult to avoid the truth of Limited Atonement.

 

 

33) Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;

The ‘us’ who was the subject up till now has suddenly vanished and been replaced with ‘another’ group, God’s elect. But is this really another group, or the same group being identified by another title?

It’s clear that v.33 is a continuation of the idea from v.31, namely, ‘if God is for us, who is against us.’ Here, however, we have God justifying, and the elect being charged against. “If God is the one who justifies, who will bring a charge against God’s elect?” The author intends to communicate a few things here.

 

1)    God is the one who justifies.

2)    God justifies His elect.

3)    Therefore, the elect cannot have a charge placed against them.

 

This is not to say that there are not those who will place charges against God’s elect, but this is another realm, the realm of God’s justifying or condemning. Since God is the supreme authority, when an issue is brought to Him He has the final decision over it. If someone brings a charge against God’s elect, God just declares, JUSTIFIED. In the flow of the passage it only makes sense that this is intended to build upon the truths already laid out for us, namely that God freely gives all things to those whom he gave his son, and that if God is for us, who can be against us. By implication we can conclude that since this is part of the same argument started in v.31 then God is for ‘us’ by being the one who justifies ‘us’, and the ‘us’ in v.33 are identified as ‘God’s elect.’ Therefore God is for his ‘elect’. Moreover again by implication we can also conclude that this justification that God gives is part of the ‘all things’ found in v.32. Therefore since the father delivered the son over ‘for us all’ he will also justify ‘us all’. It can properly be said in this passage that God justifies his ‘elect’ and contextually he justifies ‘us all’. This however cannot be taken that he justifies everyone, but rather must be understood, as should be plain, that by ‘us all’ he means ‘all of us’ and the ‘us’ is God’s elect, those for whom God is for, those whom the son was delivered over, those whom the father freely gives all things. But if this still is not evident let’s observe this before continuing to the next verse.

 

What shall we say of these things?

If God is for us,

Who is against us?

He who did not spare his own son, but delivered him over for us all, how he not also with him freely give us all things.

Who will bring a charge against God’s elect?

God is the one who justifies [God’s elect].

Who is the one who condemns [us]?

Christ Jesus is he who died, yes rather who was raised, and who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

Who will separate us from the love of Christ?

 

When viewed this way the parallels are striking.

 

 

34) Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

This is the second relevant statement that answers the question, what is the result of Jesus’ atonement. Again this continues to build upon what the Author initially stated, ‘If God is for us, who is against us?’ This time the question is ‘Who is the one who condemns?’ We again have the same idea, if God is for ‘us’ then there isn’t anyone who condemns us. This is not to say that in this present age the ‘us’ are not condemned, but is to say before God there can be no condemnation, since he is the one who is the final authority. This verse gives us even more reasons why if God is for us, no one can be against us, namely Christ Jesus is He who died. This statement is laid out in and of itself as a reason why we cannot be condemned, but it is also reinforced, ‘yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.’ The second half of the reason why the ‘us’ cannot be condemned is supportive of the initial statement. It’s clear that in the mind of the author the mere fact that Jesus is the one who died negates the possibility of condemnation. If Jesus died for us, who can condemn? If Jesus rose for us, who can condemn? If Jesus is at the right hand of God for us, who can condemn? Lastly, if Jesus intercedes for us, who can condemn? The point is that no one can condemn where Jesus has done these things. On the issue of intercession scripture makes it plain elsewhere in Hebrews 7:25 that, “Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.” When viewed in connection with Romans 8:34 we see the connection between the intercession of Christ and the death of Christ. This connection or unbreakable unity between the death and intercession of Christ is actually present in Hebrews 7:25-27,

 

25) Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26) For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27) who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

 

Observe that Jesus is able to save forever since he always lives to make intercession. And his intercession is intimately connected to his death, because He made one offering for all time when He offered up Himself. This offering in v.25-27 (which is perfect because of v.26) is His intercession.

 

 

35) Who can separate us from the love of Christ?

This is the culminating question of the book of Romans. Who can separate us from the love of Christ? When viewed in the context of everything that has come before it is plain to see that the ‘us’ in this verse is the exact same us in verses 31, 32, implied in 33, and 34. Because of this we can correctly view the love of Christ identified in this verse as for a specific group, namely ‘us’. Moreover we can also deduce from the verse itself that the ‘us’ can never be separated from this love. This love is an eternal love, an unstoppable love. This is not the kind of love that God has for everyone, since no one can separate ‘us’ from this love. It is clear from the parallel verses before it that this love is a love that expresses itself in God being ‘for us’, delivering the son over for ‘us’, justifying ‘us’, Jesus dying rising seated and interceding for ‘us’. This is the love that the ‘us’ cannot be separated from. By this point the Apostle Paul does not underlie this question with another reason as to why it is impossible. The mere fact that it is the ‘love of Christ’ on top of everything that was said before is implied as a sufficient reason in itself. Verses 35b-39 go on to explain all the different ‘things’ that can’t separate us, and can properly be said to be unable to condemn, charge, and be against us. Even with this onslaught the Apostle is still convinced that none of it can separate the ‘us’ from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

By now there is no doubt the death of Jesus for ‘us’ is the basis in the passage for no one being against the ‘us’. Because of this anyone for whom Jesus died is also whom Jesus intercedes v.34. Anyone for whom Jesus was delivered over for the father freely gives ‘all things’. The death of Jesus is so intimately connected with salvation itself that everyone whom he died for will be glorified. To the Apostle this is not a doctrine to shy away from; it is the very heart and joy of the Gospel. The Apostle here presents four threats to the Christian, those being against, condemning, charging, and separating us from the love of Christ. The apostle presents along with these four strong assurances and foundations for the Christian to base his hope and assurance upon. God is for us, He gave his Son over for us, He justifies us, and Christ Jesus died rose sits and intercedes for us. Not once is our action in view here, rather every reason given is based in the nature and work of God. It’s straightforward and simple. These are the reasons why Paul is convinced in v.35-39 that neither

tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword …… neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We see then that for the Apostle Limited Atonement is not a doctrine to shy from because it’s exclusive, but a doctrine to embrace because it’s powerful. To the apostle the teaching that Jesus perfectly saves all for whom he died means that all of ‘us’, that is those who believe in Jesus, can have a strong assurance that He will save us perfectly.

 

 

Resources

 

Harrison, Everett F. “Romans.” Pages 98-99 in Romans, 1Corinthians, 2Corinthians, Galatians.Vol. 10 of The Expositor’s Bible Commentary. Edited by Frank E. Gaebelein. Grand Rapids, MI.: Zondervan Publishing House, 1976

Haldane, Robert. “An Exposition of Romans,” Pages 408-420. Mac Dill AFB, FL.: Mac Donald Publishing Company, 1958

Stott, John R.W. “The Message of Romans.” Pages 253-257 of The Bible Speaks Today Series. Edited by John R.W. Stott. Downers Grove, IL.: Inter-Varsity Press, 1994

Murray, John. “For Whom Did Christ Die? The Extent of the Atonement.” Pages 10-13. Birmingham, AL.: Solid Ground Christian Books, 2010

Smeaton, George. “The Doctrine of the Atonement According to the Apostles.” Pages 178-184. Peabody, MA.: Hendrickson Publishers, 1988

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God’s Unfailing Love

Romans 8:31-39

“What shall we say of these things? If God is for us, who is against us?….”

What are these things?

“And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”

What shall we say of these things?

“If God is for us, who is against us?”

For whom is God for?

“us”

How is God for “us”?

He “causes all things to work together for good…He foreknew, He also predestined…called…justified…glorified.”

Anything else?

He did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for “us all”

How did God not spare His own Son?

He “delivered Him over for us all”

What does that mean?

The Crucifixion, obviously.

The Son was crucified for “us”?

Yes.

The Son was crucified for “us all”?

Yes.

Who is the “us”?

The ones whom God freely gives all things.

Can anyone be against “us”?

No.

Why?

“God is for us”

What does this mean?

It means that all for whom the Son was given, the Father freely gives all things.

Can anyone bring a charge against “us”?

No.

Why?

God is the one who justifies.

God justifies “us all”?

Yes.

So, God justifies everyone?

No.

Why?

Because the ones God justifies are are the ones whom the Son was delivered over for.

But wasn’t he delivered over for “us all”?

Yes.

How can “us all” not mean everyone?

It means all of “us”. And “us” is everyone the son is given for.

Who does God justify?

All of His elect.

Who are they?

All for whom He did not spare His Son, but delivered Him over for.

How does He justify?

Freely.

How do you know?

“How will he not also freely with him give us all things.”

Is there anyone who condemns?

No.

Why?

“Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.”

For whom did Christ die?

All of God’s elect.

For whom did Christ rise?

All of God’s elect.

For whom is Christ at the right hand of God?

All of God’s elect.

For whom does Christ intercede?

All of God’s elect.

How does he do all these things?

Freely.

What is another name for all these things?

“the love of Christ”

Does Christ love everyone the same?

No.

How do you know?

Because no one can separate us from the love of Christ.

But doesn’t that mean everyone can’t be separated from that love?

No. It means “us all” can’t be separated from that love.

What love is this?

Christ dying, rising, interceding.

Can Christ die for us, and not intercede for us?

No.

Can this love ever fail?

No.

Why?

“For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

What does this mean?

It means Jesus died only for God’s elect.

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Objection.

Does that mean we can’t tell everyone that If they believe they will be saved?

No.

Why?

“For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Begotten Son, SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES will not perish but have eternal life.”

Doesn’t that mean Jesus died for everyone?

No.

Why?

The passage teaches that because the Son was given by the father, anyone who believes will not perish but have eternal life. It does not tell us anymore than that.

So anyone who believes will not perish?

Yes.

Anyone?

Yes.

Jesus will intercede for anyone who believes?

Yes.

The Bible, and How we Determine Truth, part Two

While I have not participated more in the conversation, Ben has responded more and here it is.

  • David

    And with that I withdraw from this conversation because you are unwilling to engage it on an intellectual and evidence based examination but have defaulted to, it’s been tampered with, I know it has, because I know it has been,

    Ben, I just challenge you, do you live your life on this kind of reasoning in all other areas?

    lastly, i am going to post our conversation on my blog, first names only, because I find it very interesting.

  • Ben The kind of reasoning I live my life on is based on the guidance of our all good all loving creator.
  • Ben It has been this way from the very beginning of life. I have always had unconditional respect for others for as long as I can remember…age 2 before my parents began teaching me how to treat others.
  • Ben In this life you have to think way outside the box brother. We have been deceived in far more ways then we can imagine(including myself) Theres an entirely different way of life we can be living that is far more spiritually fulfilling(in connection with our spirit creator)
  • One last note I need to add to this. Aside from my brother passing 9.5 years ago to confirm to me the judgement stated in the bible is not true. I also had a near death episode after being in shock for 25-30 min with very little to no oxygen that entire time in 1995. The near death episode ALSO PROVED that the judgement stated in the bible is 100% false. Our UNCONDITONAL loving all peaceful creator would not take smeone who has never learned about him and just automatically go….no sorry you never knew me so your not going to be with me for eternity. That is the ULTIMATE highlight of Illuminati SMOKE AND MIRROS deception in their tampering with the bible. Like I said the bible holds a lot of truth as I stated above but that judgement belief is to a T Illuminati influenced occultish. I know what that is because I checked out the LDS mormon church and 2 other secret society organizations when I was living in Utah from ***** to ***** and the Illuminati Elite invented all secret societies and all religions in the 1st place. The guy in the video above was also 100% right when he stated all famous people of history were part of a secret society organization such as the masons, roscrucians(not 100% sure of my spelling with this word) etc.

 

The Bible, and How We Determine Truth

The Following is a conversation I am currently having with an individual who holds to a theistic worldview and who believes that the Bible as we now have it is a ploy, a fissad, a tool by the enemy into, well, everything the following video implies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unn1TX6y6hk&feature=BFa&list=PLD2B4BEB4C3021F9E&lf=plpp_video

This following conversation was sparked by this video. Enjoy

    • Ben

      Some of us will no longer be fooled by the layers of deception by the highest ranks of the Illuminati! Yes we have an all good, all peaceful, all loving spirit creator….a near death experience has confirmed that 100% for myself and some people in this world. There is a lot of good stories and some truth in the bible….especially when the bible talks about forgiveness, unconditional treatment/respect/love toward others etc. Been researching this very carefully for 4 years now. We have all been deceived in some way or other beyond belief(including myself). Watch this entire video with an open mind and draw your own conclusions.
    • Ben In the bible there is plenty of other truth….but remember the Illuminati elites MO is half truth half lie agendas to deceive people to the max. Its not just the bible….its all other books invented by all othe religions of this world.
  • Ben Makes sense doesnt it bro?[I was not the one this last question was directed to, but this is when i joined the conversation. Consider what my disclaimer says, and how Ben responds.]
  • David

    Disclaimer:First I believe that the mindset of the person who made this video and probably many who hold the same views as this person is thus.
    THE ILLUMINATI HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER THE DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION AND THEREFORE THERE ARE NO UNCORRUPTED BOOKS THAT YOU CAN CITE TO PROVE ME WRONG. I CAN SAY ANYTHING CONCERNING HISTORY TO SUPPORT MY VIEW, BUT AS SOON AS YOU POINT OUT WHERE I’M INCONSISTENT OR NOT REPRESENTING HISTORY RIGHT THEN WHAT YOU’RE REFERENCING IS CORRUPTED.if at any point I suspect that you make this arguement I will be done with any conversation that we might have, because It becomes an unwinnable conversation, since you can just say, your sources are corrupted by illuminati, regardless of what my sources are. with that said I would like to say the following.uh, wow. the only thing the guy who made this video managed to do in 10 minutes of rambling is show he hasn’t read even the New Testament, nor any primary sources of the issues he brought up concerning the creation of the New Testament or the Old Testament nor the unity and harmony of the New Testament with the Old Testament, the cultural worldview and intercultural interactions of 1st Century Judaism with Hellenistic Romanism, nor the fact that historically Christianity has held to ammillennialism which would repudiate most of the claims of this video. I have been studying these issues(what I make reference to) as of late primarily because atheists, secularists, and liberal christians hold to much of the false theories concerning hyper-parallelism between Christianity and other world religions which is where the guy who made this video is getting this from and to be a christian who can interact with this culture we live in it’s my responsibility to know these things. I assure you my sources aren’t secondary like his.Ben, you say you’ve spent 4 years studying these issues in depth. Did you spend 4 years studying the issues I brought up, or did you spend 4 years studying illuminati? If it’s been 4 years studying illuminati, that’s fine and dandy, you’re an expert on that, but that doesn’t carry over into being able to make claims about the New Testament that are ridiculous.(by posting this video, you associate and approve the content of it and I will treat you as having made the claims yourself)If you have studied the history of how we got the New Testament that we have today, please give me an outline of it, pointing out important events, and if there was tampering, when it happened, and how it is relevant to the creation of the NA 27 and the critical edition of the Majority Text of the Greek New Testaments. Also what is the relevance of the early Christians quoting in their writings what basically amounts to the entire New Testament as we have it today when you consider all of the quotations.If you cannot answer these questions then you have no basis for believing what you do concerning the supposed tampering of the New Testament.This is just a tiny tiny tiny part of what’s wrong with that video. If you would like me to I would enjoy talking with you about it.
  • David also, and lastly till you respondI would just like to point out that there was no meaningful information in that video concerning the nature of christianity or the Bible. It was a long list of unfounded theories and conjectures and I for one consider videos like this(where no detail or sources are cited) to be lazy and intellectually insulting.

  • Ben
    I hear ya David but it has all been tampered with. The main thing to understand is they(the illuminati elites) took control and have infiltrated the world from the very beginning which is very unfortuante but true. Its a tough issue to debate either way like you said. Again the bible holds a lot of truth as to how we should conduct ourselves toward others, sepereate ourselves from the common way of the world etc. I have also been praying about this and have no doubt all religions and books associated with them(the bible etc) have all been heavily tampered with by the Illuminati. Keeping in mind the bloodlines of the Illuminati elite have been around from almost the beginning of time unfortunately.
 Ben
Another paragraph I would like to add is people do well believing this as long as they have a solid faith in our all good all loving spirit creator. Also my brother passed away 9.5 years ago and it was very clear to myself and my immediatefamily(mom, dad, brother, sisters) that he went to a far better place….what we know as Heaven. My brother did not believe in our spirit creator and thought the bible and religion wasnt true. That right there proved to me what the bible says about judgement cant be true. I have never believed the judgement from our creator was that harsh and strict anyway and when my brother passed on that proved it 100%. I have had my confirmations brother. Hope your doing well and look forward to to chattin mroe soon.
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At first I responded by asking how he determines what is and is not true in the bible, and where the authority behind his decision comes from, but then realized he did exactly what I asked him not to, mainly resort to saying it’s been tampered with because it’s been tampered with. I told him I would no longer participate, and that I would be reposting the conversation here, first names only. I hope this conversation is somehow useful to you.
thanks,
David.

What I Believe…

Perhaps this should have been my first or 2nd post. Everyone who is reading this blog today(you the reader, reading it) should have a good idea of what it is that the writer(me) believes on the basics of the faith. This would help you decide whether you want to keep reading because you agree with me, keep reading because you disagree with me, or stop reading because you agree/disagree.

Maybe you want to see what other like-creedal individuals think about certain theological/political subjects. Or maybe you want to know what the other team thinks about those subjects.

Whatever the case, I will now tell you.

I am a reformed baptist and agree with the 1689 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith.

There are a few minor details in the 1689 that I don’t believe.

Here is where I disagree…

Chapter 9. of the Law of God

I disagree that the 10 commandments = the eternal Law of God that is written on the heart. I believe the 10 commandments are representative of that eternal law, and are binding upon all because they depend upon God’s eternal Law. However God’s eternal Law is found in

Matthew 22

But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Chapter 22., paragraph 7 and 8

These paragraphs concern the nature of the Sabbath in the New Testament. They claim that the Lord’s Day is the reality of the Sabbath of the Old Testament. This does not harmonize with what Hebrews 4 says concerning the Sabbath rest that is found in Christ. I do not believe the Lord’s Day is the Christian Sabbath, I believe resting from works by faith in Christ is the Christian Sabbath. I therefore reject the content of paragraph 8.

Chapter 23.

I believe Christians should not take oaths if they can avoid it. This is in obedience to Christ’s command in Matthew 5.

Other than these three points I agree with the 1689 Confession.

Race and the Elephant Room, part 2(James McDonald too???)

View the entire interview at the link below.

The Race card is still being perpetrated regarding the Elephant Room. This time James McDonald and Pastor Loritts are in an interview concerning the Elephant Room, during which race once again comes to the center-stage.

Why would they continue to bring race up? What is it that they desire to gain in doing so. If they have impure motives are they still qualified to teach? Is it right to identify those black pastors who speak against TD Jakes, who is a heretical prosperity preacher as a puppet?

 

1 Thessalonians 2:3-6

For our exhortation does not come from error or impurity or by way of deceit; but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak,not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts. For we never came with flattering speech, as you know, nor with a pretext for greed—God is witness— nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, even though as apostles of Christ we might have asserted our authority.

 

Within the Christian community there are no distinctions, Galatians 3:28. So are they bringing it up as to please men?

 

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Preparing to move.

In 3.5 months I will be moving across the country. This will mean I will have to find a new job, a new church, and a new home.

Thankfully it also means I will have a new Wife.

In many ways I will be given a new start at serving the Lord, and at the same time the things I am doing right now will decide in what ways I serve then. I will be a visitor at the churches out there and so will be taking on the role of a seat-warmer. I have had this role in the past, where you attend church and just keep living your life the best you can. I need to remind myself that this is an extremely important position in the church. Not everyone can be teachers and leaders, and if they were then there would be no one to learn or follow. If we were all seminary professors, there would be no one to take that message into the street, and into the workplace, and into the social gathering places- the restaurants, bowling alleys, etc.

Just as important as this I need to keep habits now that I hope to have then. I need to have faith that God will be with me all along the way when I am failing him, and when I am walking with him.

To the end that God might glorify himself in us, let us each strive to love one another, and love him, both when we are in public and alone, when we study his word, and strive to know him more.

I was listening to James White and he says…

This blog has only been up for a few days and hasn’t even had 10 views yet, however if in the future I have regular readers, or a congregation and I use this blog to share with them, I want to inform everyone that one of the teachers out there that I can say I have listened to enough times to say he is consistent, biblical, non-compromising, and trust-worthy is Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries.

http://www.aomin.org

I often find myself in thoelogical discussions saying, I was listening to James White and he says… and with good reason. Of all the bible-teachers in the public arena I only know of a handful who focus on accurate exegesis of a text over everything else. As a result his teaching is accurate, clearly communicated, and easy to internalize since he strives to show you what the passage says, by showing you how to read it for what it is.

I recommend his ministry to everyone interested in reformed theology(either from a positive viewpoint or a negative one) and everyone who is working in apologetic and evangelistic ministries.